{"id":2649,"date":"2002-08-30T22:09:52","date_gmt":"2002-08-30T20:09:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/crashdown.com\/news\/?p=2649"},"modified":"2015-05-19T13:25:39","modified_gmt":"2015-05-19T11:25:39","slug":"jason-katims-interview-in-starlog","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/crashdown.com\/news\/2002\/08\/jason-katims-interview-in-starlog\/","title":{"rendered":"Jason Katims interview in Starlog"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Thanks to MyrnaLynne for this :)<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\n&#8220;Starlog&#8221; magazine, Sept 2002 #302<br \/>\nJason Katims talks about the end of Roswell<\/p>\n<p>page 13 &#8220;Sci-Fi TV&#8221; section<br \/>\nRoswell<br \/>\nSciFi will begin running &#8220;Roswell&#8221; this fall or in 2003. Series guru Jason<br \/>\nKatims reviews the show&#8217;s last days on page 74.<\/p>\n<p>p. 74-77 &#8220;Roswell Farewell&#8221; by Joe Nazzaro (8 photos from various episodes &#8211;<br \/>\nARCC, the Bewitched episode, and Graduation &#8211; accompany the article)<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Series guru Jason Katims bids adieu to Earth&#8217;s favorite alienated teens.<\/p>\n<p>So that&#8217;s the end: our life in Roswell. What a long strange trip it has been.<br \/>\nWill we ever go back? I don&#8217;t know. Even I can&#8217;t see everything in the<br \/>\nfuture&#8230;&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>And so ended &#8220;Roswell,&#8221; the story of Liz Parker, a high school student and<br \/>\npart-time waitress, who got caught up in mysterious adventures with a trio of<br \/>\nteenage aliens stranded on Earth. Based on the popular &#8216;Roswell High&#8217; books by<br \/>\nMelinda Metz, the weekly TV series was developed by writer-executive producer<br \/>\nJason Katims, who saw his pet project go through a number of trials and<br \/>\ntribulations (as he discussed in STARLOG #292). Originally developed for Fox,<br \/>\n&#8220;Roswell&#8221; eventually landed at the WB, which cancelled it after two seasons. At<br \/>\nthe 11th hour, UPN stepped in to pick up the series, but that network&#8217;s<br \/>\nenthusiasm was short-lived: After pulling it from their mid-season schedule,<br \/>\nUPN first cut &#8220;Roswell&#8217;s season episode order, then cancelled it entirely.<\/p>\n<p>For Katims, watching &#8220;Roswell&#8221; go from the brink of extinction to unexpected<br \/>\nlife and back into oblivion again has been a difficult process, but not without<br \/>\nsome rewards. Gaining an extra 20 episodes allowed the show&#8217;s writers to tell<br \/>\nsome interesting stories, and spend some additional time with the characters<br \/>\nthey had grown to love. When the end finally came, it wasn&#8217;t entirely shocking.<br \/>\n&#8220;I would say when they reduced our order and pulled back two episodes,&#8221; notes<br \/>\nKatims, &#8220;that was the time when the writing was on the wall. For me, the<br \/>\nmessage was that the show was not going to be coming back.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>SUMMER DAZE<br \/>\nBut that end was still many months off. Meanwhile, Katims and his writing staff<br \/>\nneeded to continue their series for a new network, but in a way that would allow<br \/>\nunfamiliar viewers to jump on without feeling they had already missed out on too<br \/>\nmuch. The answer was to let some time pass between seasons and being new<br \/>\nstorylines that would eventually dovetail with previous events.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;It was the same precedent that we has set up between Seasons One and Two,&#8221; says<br \/>\nKatims. &#8220;For instance, when we went from Season One into Two, we said several<br \/>\nmonths had passed, so what happened over those three months? The same thing<br \/>\nhappened between Seasons Two and Three. The only big off-screen thing we did<br \/>\nwas have Jesse [Adam Rodriguez] and Isabel [Katherine Heigl] meet over the<br \/>\nsummer, but other than that, everything we set up happened [on-screen]. Max<br \/>\n[Jason Behr] was looking for his child and Liz [Shiri Appleby] had joined him on<br \/>\nthat search. And Michael [Brendan Fehr] had decided that he was going to stay<br \/>\nin Roswell and get a job. So we tried to imagine what would have happened over<br \/>\nthose months during the summer and tried to pick up from there, as opposed to<br \/>\ncoming in the next day. We could have done it the other way, but that&#8217;s just<br \/>\nthe way we chose to do it.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The writers also tried to avoid some of the mistakes that they had made in the<br \/>\nprevious season, including too much time spent on alien mythology and red<br \/>\nherrings such as the Skins and Dupes, and not enough character- and<br \/>\nrelationship-driven stories. &#8220;I think what happened in the second season was<br \/>\nthat we started going in so many different directions with the show&#8217;s mythology<br \/>\nthat the backstory got very complicated, and even people who new the show got<br \/>\nconfused,&#8221; Katims confesses. &#8220;It was too complicated, and by doing that, I felt<br \/>\nwe were losing the emotional value that the series had always had. We were<br \/>\nlosing the observation of character and relationship. I&#8217;ve always felt that<br \/>\n&#8220;Roswell&#8221; is very strong in an almost unusual way, because it&#8217;s a SF show with a<br \/>\nvery quirky idea: teenagers as aliens. There&#8217;s something that could be<br \/>\nconsidered almost silly about that, but it wasn&#8217;t, and that&#8217;s what I always<br \/>\nloved about &#8220;Roswell.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I remember when we were shooting the pilot, and I was on the set watching<br \/>\nJason&#8217;s interpretation of Max Evans, how real he chose to make this character,<br \/>\nand how serious all this was to him. I thought, &#8216;Wow, this is really great,&#8217;<br \/>\nbecause if you told the idea of this show to somebody, they would think it was a<br \/>\nsitcom, because it&#8217;s kind of flawed in its nature. And yet the way Jason chose<br \/>\nto portray that character, and what we &#8211; the director, David Nutter, everybody<br \/>\nand I &#8211; were trying to do was use that conceit as a jumping-off point<br \/>\ndramatically, but otherwise make it very real, to treat it as if it was actually<br \/>\nhappening.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>As the clock began ticking toward the end of &#8220;Roswell&#8217;s&#8221; final season, there<br \/>\nwas still plenty of ground to cover and not much time to do it. With several<br \/>\ndifferent storylines to resolve, and UPN trimming two episodes from the season,<br \/>\nsome ideas simply never made it to the screen. &#8220;What we had to do in four<br \/>\nepisodes, we ended up doing in just two, so for the final two episodes, we threw<br \/>\nout one story and then made what was going to occur in three episodes happen in<br \/>\ntwo,&#8221; Katims explains. &#8220;Unfortunately, we had to throw out a story that we were<br \/>\nvery excited about, so that was frustrating. The idea was to do a &#8216;What if?&#8217;<br \/>\nepisode, a time-travel idea, where we would go back to different moments in the<br \/>\nshow&#8217;s history &#8211; including the pilot &#8211; and say, &#8220;What if Max hadn&#8217;t saved Liz?<br \/>\nWhat if Michael ended up saving her instead? What if Maria [Majandra Delfino]\ntold Liz to duck before she got hit with a bullet?&#8217; I thought the notion of it<br \/>\nwas a very fun and novel way to look back at what we had done.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;What we wound up doing as the finale, we had originally hoped to do as a<br \/>\ntwo-hour wrap-up, but it ended up just one hour. So that was disappointing too,<br \/>\nbut at the end of the day, as I said, I&#8217;m very happy with how the final episode<br \/>\nturned out. We were able to make the best of it, and the truth is, it&#8217;s always<br \/>\nfrustrating, but that&#8217;s TV. Things happen and schedules change, so you have to<br \/>\nroll with the punches. You thought you were going to air an episode in<br \/>\nFebruary, and it ends up in May, or you get a couple more or a couple less<br \/>\nepisodes than you expected. You just have to go with it. Often, challenges like<br \/>\nthat make things better.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>SPRING HAZE<br \/>\nOne plot thread the writers had always intended to resolve was the return of<br \/>\nTess [Emilie de Ravin], the fourth alien hybrid, who had taken her son (fathered<br \/>\nby Max) back to their home planet last season. In the penultimate episode &#8220;Four<br \/>\nAliens and a Baby,&#8221; Tess manages to make amends for her past misdeeds, and<br \/>\nleaves the infant in Max&#8217;s care, albeit briefly. &#8220;I had always wanted to bring<br \/>\nTess back later in the season,&#8221; Katims insists. &#8220;Among the things I was really<br \/>\nadamant about doing this year, whether or not the show was coming back, was to<br \/>\nresolve the issue of Max&#8217;s son, and also to have Tess return. So we were able<br \/>\nto combine those two things into one story.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>With just one episode left, there was still loads of material to pack into the<br \/>\nfinale. Katims teamed up with co-executive producer Ron Moore to write<br \/>\n&#8220;Graduation,&#8221; in which they attempted to tie up most of the show&#8217;s continuity,<br \/>\nas well as send the characters off in new and different directions. &#8220;I&#8217;m very<br \/>\nhappy with the final episode, and I was glad the network really got behind<br \/>\ngetting people to watch it. We were off the schedule for a while, so it was nice<br \/>\nto know that people were aware that &#8220;Roswell&#8221; had come back.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>In many ways, &#8216;Graduation&#8217; brought &#8220;Roswell&#8217;s&#8221; story full circle, notably with<br \/>\nthe use of Liz&#8217;s diary &#8211; which started off the series in episode one, and ends<br \/>\nit as her diary is finally turned over to her parents. &#8220;Liz was the<br \/>\npoint-of-view character at the beginning, and we actually returned to that in<br \/>\nthe final episode,&#8221; says Katims. &#8220;We framed the episode with voiceover by her,<br \/>\nand gave the show back to that idea &#8211; that we&#8217;re putting it in Liz&#8217;s<br \/>\npoint-of-view. We thought it would make a really nice bookend to the pilot. At<br \/>\nthe series&#8217; beginning, it was all told through her writing in her journal. That<br \/>\nwas the frame for the whole show, and we returned to that, where she actually<br \/>\nfinished her journal. And I think because of that, the finale is very much<br \/>\nconnected to the first episode: it almost has a nostalgic feeling for people<br \/>\nwho know the roots of the show and how it got started.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>If the series had lasted beyond a third seasons, Katims indicates that there was<br \/>\na definite direction in which they would have headed. &#8220;When you watch the<br \/>\nfinale, you can actually see some of those things being laid out,&#8221; he remarks.<br \/>\n&#8220;When we were writing the shows, I always found myself particularly drawn to<br \/>\nepisodes where they wound up helping people. For example, there was the<br \/>\nChristmas episode, where Max heals the children with cancer at the possible risk<br \/>\nof exposure. There was something about that idea that was very powerful to me,<br \/>\nso that was where [we wanted] to go. And when you watch the final episode,<br \/>\nthat&#8217;s what we were setting up.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;There&#8217;s one scene where Max says to Liz that that&#8217;s what he wants to do, and in<br \/>\nthe final episode, Liz begins to have premonitions and flashes. You see the<br \/>\nbeginning of her becoming clairvoyant, and you realize that&#8217;s ultimately the<br \/>\neffect that Max&#8217;s healing is having on her. So if the show had gone on, she<br \/>\nwould have become the catalyst to get the stories going. Liz would have some<br \/>\nkind of vision, they would follow it up, and it would take them to different<br \/>\nplaces.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Looking back over &#8220;Roswell&#8217;s&#8221; three-year run, Katims has no difficulty putting<br \/>\ntogether a quick list of his own personal highlights. &#8220;I have a bunch of<br \/>\nepisodes that to me are what I like best about the show,&#8221; he reflects, &#8220;but it<br \/>\ndoesn&#8217;t mean that&#8217;s what is best about the show: they&#8217;re things that I like.<br \/>\nOf course, the pilot is a favorite of mine, and then the second season Christmas<br \/>\nepisode [&#8220;A Roswell Christmas Carol&#8221;]. &#8216;The End of the World&#8217; where Max comes<br \/>\nback from the future, is another favorite. The first season&#8217;s final handful of<br \/>\nepisodes were very strong, including &#8216;The White Room&#8217; &#8211; which was especially<br \/>\nstrong &#8211; and the first season finale, another good show. And honestly, I think<br \/>\nthe series&#8217; final episode is one of my favorites.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>GRADUATION DAYS<br \/>\nFor the time being, that appears to be it for &#8220;Roswell.&#8221; Although there&#8217;s every<br \/>\nchance that the characters could continue to appear in the &#8220;Roswell High&#8221; books<br \/>\nby author (and former series writer) Metz, those adventures won&#8217;t carry on from<br \/>\nthe TV show. &#8220;The books have always lived in a parallel universe that&#8217;s<br \/>\ndifferent from the show,&#8221; Katims states. &#8220;What Melinda has done with the books<br \/>\nand what we&#8217;ve gone on to do with the show &#8211; we&#8217;ve both used the first book as<br \/>\nthe jumping-off point, but we&#8217;ve gone in different directions, so the<br \/>\ncharacters, their experiences and what happens to them is different. I honestly<br \/>\ndon&#8217;t know what the story is in terms of more books being written, but I think<br \/>\nthey&#8217;ll continue to follow the path that Melinda has already been exploring in<br \/>\nthem.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>If there&#8217;s one aspect that the books and the TV series have always shared,<br \/>\nthough, it&#8217;s a devoted fan following which continues to be intrigued by the<br \/>\nadventures of Max, Michael, Isabel and Liz. &#8220;For me, that has really been the<br \/>\nmost surprising thing about the show: The continued support we&#8217;ve gotten from<br \/>\nthe fans and their passion for the show. First of all, I hold them responsible<br \/>\nfor keeping &#8220;Roswell&#8221; on the air as long as they have, and I think that&#8217;s rare,<br \/>\nthat the fans can actually have an effect like that. They&#8217;ve also raised a<br \/>\ntremendous amount of money for charities, for no reason other than that they<br \/>\nwanted to.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Over the years,&#8221; Katims adds, &#8220;I&#8217;ve had a chance to meet and talk to some of<br \/>\nthe fans and get a sense of how much they care about the show and the<br \/>\ncharacters, and that has been an amazing experience for me. It&#8217;s something that<br \/>\nI don&#8217;t know will ever happen again, and I think that&#8217;s something I&#8217;ll always<br \/>\nremember about &#8220;Roswell.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>By the time &#8220;Graduation&#8221; finally aired in mid-May, the production team had<br \/>\nmostly moved on to new frontiers. &#8220;We finished mixing the last episode and it<br \/>\nwas in the can,&#8221; Katims recalls, &#8220;and at that point we were pretty much done<br \/>\nwith the show other than a few people running around the office doing things.<br \/>\nOnce it was essentially, completed, I was in a position to take a breath and see<br \/>\nwhat happened next. Even before the show was officially cancelled, the writers<br \/>\nknew that there was a great probability that it wasn&#8217;t coming back, but what was<br \/>\nvery nice was that they all said if &#8220;Roswell&#8221; did return, they would be back.<br \/>\nIf that wasn&#8217;t a possibility, they were going to go out looking. So Ron Moore<br \/>\nis working on a new project [a Battlestar Galactica revival], and some of the<br \/>\nothers are on to other things.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>As for Katims, &#8220;I&#8217;m having a little time off right now. For the last few years,<br \/>\nI&#8217;ve only had a week off between seasons, so it has been a pretty grueling<br \/>\nschedule. I&#8217;m taking some time off, but I&#8217;m also starting to think about what&#8217;s<br \/>\nnext.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>It may be far too early to look back at &#8220;Roswell&#8221; with any degree of<br \/>\nobjectivity, but there are lessons that Katims has taken from the experience.<br \/>\n&#8220;As a writer, I&#8217;ve learned to be more imaginative, and to be bolder with story<br \/>\nthan I had been before. This show lent itself to doing a lot of story, and I<br \/>\nhad always done stuff with little story. It has always been about nuance, but<br \/>\n&#8220;Roswell&#8221; combined the two: We were able to do a lot of story, but also keep<br \/>\nthe characters&#8217; nuances, and that was one of the show&#8217;s trademarks.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;As to what I&#8217;ve learned as a producer,&#8221; Katims offers, &#8220;it has been a very<br \/>\nuseful experience, because as a creator and writer-producer, you&#8217;re constantly<br \/>\nstruggling in terms of knowing when to listen to people who are telling you<br \/>\nthings, and when to stick to your own guns. It&#8217;s a very difficult line to walk,<br \/>\nbecause you have blind spots as a writer. Sometimes you really need help, and<br \/>\nsometimes people lead you down paths that aren&#8217;t the best ways to go. So what<br \/>\nI&#8217;ve gotten better at is distinguishing between the two and being able to stay<br \/>\nthe course and stick to the vision of the show &#8211; but I&#8217;m also able to get help<br \/>\nfrom the many talented people around me. So that&#8217;s what I came out of &#8220;Roswell&#8221;<br \/>\nwith.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s interesting&#8221; Jason Katims notes, &#8220;because &#8220;Roswell&#8221; was a show where we<br \/>\nwere always on the verge of being cancelled, literally from the time we turned<br \/>\nin the pilot. So it&#8217;s a little bit easier for me to be philosophical about it<br \/>\nbecause I feel like we&#8217;ve had several lives, and in a weird way, we&#8217;ve all been<br \/>\nprepared for this to happen.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Thanks to MyrnaLynne for this :) &#8220;Starlog&#8221; magazine, Sept 2002 #302 Jason Katims talks about the end of Roswell page<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":5,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"colormag_page_container_layout":"default_layout","colormag_page_sidebar_layout":"default_layout","footnotes":""},"categories":[2210,2387,5],"tags":[29,407],"coauthors":[2273],"class_list":["post-2649","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-authors-directors","category-jason-katims","category-roswell","tag-jason-katims","tag-starlog"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/crashdown.com\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2649","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/crashdown.com\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/crashdown.com\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/crashdown.com\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/5"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/crashdown.com\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2649"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/crashdown.com\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2649\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":29155,"href":"https:\/\/crashdown.com\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2649\/revisions\/29155"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/crashdown.com\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2649"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/crashdown.com\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2649"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/crashdown.com\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2649"},{"taxonomy":"author","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/crashdown.com\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/coauthors?post=2649"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}