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EOTW JB/JK transcript

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Transcribed by MyrnaLynne

Here is a transcript of the two-part Quicktime video at WB.com, of Jason Katims and Jason Behr discussing “The End of the World.”

Here is the link to part one:


Here is the link to part two:


EOTW Part 1:

JK: I think it plays into the fantasy that we have of wanting to know what your future would have been if you had made a different choice. And we all want to know that.

JB: Absolutely. I think also that just the idea of choices that we make and what those consequences are from those choices. And I mean, those ideas have been done in other formats but never I think to this degree where we can take two characters that we have got to know over an entire season and to jump forward 14 years and think how wonderful their life became with one exception, that ultimately it was the demise of everything.

JK: (Laughs) It’s one little problem..

JB: Small little problem (laughs)

JK: But it was good up until that point. Worked out for them.

JB: Yeh, well you know, that one little detail. But when you take this character who was, I think was like 30 years old, to come back and watch this girl that he fell in love with, to see all the little small things she did that made him fall in love with her – there is a certain melancholy about it to have to say goodbye to that.

JK: Future Max, one way or the other he’s screwed. Whether he is able get Liz to make Max fall out of love or not, Future Max still has nowhere to go to, so it’s very poignant from that side of it.

And then from Liz’s side of it, she’s looking at the future that she’ll never have � this future that’s her fantasy and dream, to be with Max, her one true love – and she’s forced to realize that she can never have that future, but she’s able to glimpse it and to hear about it from the source.

And then for present-day Max to watch that moment when he finds Liz and Kyle together � even though we know it’s all been set up to happen � the moment when he sees them, it’s just heartbreaking to watch it happen to him.

JB: To me, I love it because it kind of works on all these different levels.

EOTW part 2:

JK: I remember this moment of watching it in the editing room and I was at the end of the episode when you sort of are going back between Future Max with Liz on the rooftop and Max with Tess on the bench, and I realized that I had bought into the idea that there were two Maxes. I thought it was so amazing that I had been caught up in the illusion of it, since obviously I had written the episode and was literally in the trailer with Jason Behr when we were coming up with what he was going to look like.. what the Future version of Max was going to look like

(JB grins, remembering)

JK: I think that I had forgotten that it was one person playing both roles shows what a great job that Jason did.

JB: I think Jason is being a bit modest when he says stuff like that.

(JK makes a NO face)

JB: Because all my favorite episodes have been the ones he writes. I think mostly because when I read them they are the easiest for me to decipher. And it makes my job easier. Not so much that he is thinking this would lead to this and this would lead to that. I think that he leads with his heart and he writes with his heart about feelings and about emotions. And an episode like EOTW, when I read that, I FELT everything as I was reading it, I knew exactly how I wanted to do things. When I read that particular scene, when he’s talking to Liz about how they had this life together and how they went off and lived like this American Dream, and that moment of realizing that this is the journey they were going to take and when he was talking about the dance – there wasn’t any other way I could deliver that. The very first time I read that, I knew that was how it had to be done. Just.. it felt right.